Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 18:24:25 -0700 To: Michael PearceSubject: All this Stream crap... Okay, Michael -- enough's enough. While I sympathized with your initial comments about Stream International, and felt that ripping the lid off of their ridiculous "non-disclosure" policies would at least give the pot enough of a stir to make a difference, I am now of the considered opinion that you have carried the entire matter way too far. You seem to have taken what was initially a relatively good idea and elevated it into a personal vendetta against Stream International, publishing innuendo, rumor, exaggeration and outright falsehoods as the truth, in a manner which neither I nor the employees of Stream appreciate. I don't write these words lightly, nor should they be construed as reflecting upon my personal feelings toward you, which are now and have always been ones of gratitude and considerable respect. In this case, however, Michael, you are so full of shit it is coming out your ears. For the record: yes, Stream does do outsource technical support for a number of major companies, and has strict non-disclosure policies that require employees to lie about the work they do. And yes, Stream does not train new employees adequately. These are both substantial problems, and areas where I disagree with Stream and believe they can do better. That's about as far as my agreement with you goes, however. Your intial article caused a great deal of consternation among Stream's management, which is probably what you intended. What you probably didn't intend, however, was the anger and frustration you caused Stream's employees, whom you seemed to portray as a bunch of clueless newbies shoved in front of the phones with a sheet full of "standard" responses that neither they nor their supervisors really understood. In attempting to make Stream's managers look like idiots, you managed to tar us all with the same brush. While training for new techs is in many cases inadequate, all new techs spend their first week taking calls with a senior tech on line, and are free to consult them whenever needed. Within a month, the average tech has attained a level of expertise easily higher than ninety percent of his callers. I'm not entirely sure where your arbitrary figure of three minutes for the average call came from. My average call length on my first team varied from ten to fifteen minutes, and I was repeatedly told that I was doing an excellent job. Currently, my average is under five, since the job is a bit more straightforward and less demanding. I know of no team where you are required to explain every call that runs over three minutes. If a tech continually takes 15-20 minutes per call, it is likely he will be asked to explain why, since most calls should take considerably less than that. The notion that a supervisor is constantly standing over each tech with a stopwatch is, however, idiotic and completely false. As if your first article wasn't enough, you have managed to compound the initial distortions and exaggerations with this month's opus. Having looked at the full article, reproduced on your web page, I am glad that your editor chose to remove so much of it. Your comments about Stream's policies regarding attendance, tardiness, personal phone calls, and the role of the Aspect system would be so wrong as to be laughable, were they not so bloody sad. And, again for the record, I am not, as you state, "defending Stream because I feel my job is in jeopardy." I'm doing this on my own, because I'm annoyed and slightly insulted. You state that among all the Stream employees who have contacted you, "none have denied the charges." Aside from agreeing with you regarding the inanity of the non-disclosure policy, and a few beefs with Stream's training procedures, I am writing this message to you to do just that -- I am denying your "charges." Your comments and conclusions about Stream are just plain wrong, and I'm pretty goddamned sick of hearing them. You have transformed Stream from a mildly annoying corporate environment into some kind of weird marriage of Orwell and Kafka, and described a company which bears almost no resemblance to the place where I have worked for the last 12 months. First, the Aspect system. Yes, it logs sign-in and sign-out time. So does a time clock. However, there is no policy penalizing, docking or terminating employees who are "even the merest handful of seconds" tardy. Anyone who told you this is, frankly, full of crap. In my first team assignment, I was chronically late, up to 15 minutes, two to three times a day, due to family necessities. In the six months I served on the team, I was NEVER "docked," "punished," "berated," or otherwise harassed. My tardiness was only mentioned once, when my supervisor asked me whether a later schedule would be more convenient for my family commitments. This is scarcely the sort of conduct one would expect from the Hitlerian nightmare world you have invented at Stream. You cannot be "docked" for being "a handful of seconds" late. Stream time cards are generated as Excel spreadsheets every two weeks by individual employees. In other words, I write my own time card, and enter the hours I have worked. I then print it out, give it to my supervisor for signature, and he gives it to payroll. Nowhere in the process does ANYONE match my claimed hours against the record on the Aspect system. How the hell can you "dock" someone for 30 seconds, anyway? I have worked on two different Stream teams. I have worked alongside individuals from four others. None have ever experienced what you described. One individual told me that he knew of only a single termination for excessive tardiness, and this was of an employee who was chronically 30 or more minutes late for work every day, and only after repeated warnings. To this day, I am sometimes late by as much as 15 minutes, and no one has yet so much as mentioned it. You state that "late sign-ins with legitimate reason and advance notice" are held against the empoloyee and can result in termination. Wrong again. In the past three weeks, I have had to log in late three times, and left work several hours early on two other occasions. So long as I have sufficient Paid Time Off to cover the time, no one seems concerned. My supervisor went so far as to inform me that if I had family problems that required more time (and I do), he could authorize extra paid leave beyond my allotted time in order to take care of it. Again, this is not the kind of behavior that your vision of Stream would lead one to expect. "Want to make a local phone call for personal or business reasons during your break on the company phone? Forget it. Verboten. Someone is monitoring the system at all times, or at least the logs later in the day. You could get fired for that." This comes as an enormous shock to me, since today I made no fewer than four (count 'em, four) personal phone calls and the storm troopers didn't show up to escort me off the site. I have made as many as ten personal phone calls from the site in a single day and have not been reprimanded in any way. Personal calls need to be coded by pressing the number "2" upon completion, however, so they are not logged in as business-related. This is understandable, since Stream's customers are billed based upon the number of business-related calls made and received, and they do not want to be billed for me calling my wife to find out when I should pick her up. Everyone at Stream makes personal phone calls on the Aspect, Michael. If any of your informants claim to have been fired for calling their families, then once more they are full of... Well, you get the idea. No one is "monitoring the system at all times," and no one goes over the logs "later in the day." Even if they wanted to, Stream simply doesn't have the manpower to do so. Supervisors sometimes listen in on tech's calls to make sure that they are following proper procedures and are being courteous. These calls are always discussed with the techs later. There is simply no way that each and every call can be monitored, since the average ratio of consultant to tech ranges from 1:30 to 1:60. Your story about walking to a payphone to make personal calls may have come from my initial complaints that the phone system was out of order and could not make outgoing calls beginning with "9." This problem was remedied within two days of my joining the company, as a result of my specific request. It's no longer a problem, and was a purely technical error in the first place. Here's the truth of the matter, Michael. Stream is a corporation, just like any other. It is an employer, just like any other. It has its frustrations and boneheaded policies, just like any other company. In the main, however, its supervisors are extremely skilled and pleasant, its employees professional, and its policies at worst tolerable. Calling it "this most awful of companies, possibly the worst high-tech place to work in Oregon" is ridiculous, and leads me to suspect that you've never spoken to anyone who has the misfortune to work for Intel. The work is hard and demanding, but the pay is decent and the benefits relatively generous. It's worse than few and better than many. If it were "a kind of company written about in cyberpunk nightmare novels of the '80s, where machines watch your every move, and you can be fired for the slightest misdeed, if not mere capricious and arbitrary whim" I sure as hell wouldn't be working there anymore, and neither would anyone else. You admit that you have never worked at Stream, and that your information comes exclusively from disgruntled ex-employees or unhappy current ones. You imply that those employees who defend Stream are doing so solely to protect their jobs. Goddam it, Michael -- how much well poisoning is enough? The horrors you describe do not exist, neither on my team, nor on any other team I am aware of. Your attempt to expose the hypocrisy and shortsightedness of Stream management has turned into an ugly, unpleasant mess, and I think it's about time you moved on to more productive topics before you alienate any more Stream employees. BTW, your advice to potential customers, while basically sound, includes several items which will make individual techs' lives harder, and do nothing more than generate ill will. Asking a tech how long he has been on a given team is not an accurate gauge of his technical expertise, and it will invariably be seen by the tech in question as a challenge to his abilities. Asking whether a tech works for Stream is not "the only circumstance under which they may admit the truth without risk of termination," and most of them are so bloody pissed off at you and your advice that they would probably lie anyway just to spite you. I know of at least three who intend to do just that. You haven't managed to win any friends at Stream, at least not among those I work with. Most of them simply feel insulted. Nice job. Please understand, Michael, that while I'm rather angry about your articles, and still can't entirely understand what possessed you to take things so far, it does not in any way affect my friendship toward you, nor that of my wife. You're still welcome at my parties and I certainly look forward to seeing you in future. Somewhat puzzled and hurt, (Name withheld by request) "I hold the line. The line of strength that pulls me through the fear." *San Jacinto* -- Peter Gabriel _______________ >Thanks for the detailed response. Would you mind if I attached it to my web >page as a response, so people reading the two articles can go and read >yours? This is exactly what I wanted to see from the "other side." Oh, and >let me know too if you want your name attached to the response. Yup. Not a problem. Best not to use my name, however... I didn't reveal any proprietary information, but I'd rather keep my name out of the current brouhaha all the same. >But every negative example I cited in the two were sent to me or told to me >directly. I had never heard this much negativaty about a single company >since talking to a few former Quark employees a couple of years ago. I'm still completely baffled as to who could have come up with the information you cited. Certainly none of the policies you discussed are site-wide, if they exist at all. As I said, there is no way on earth that Stream can possibly dock people for being 30 seconds late, nor do they have the manpower to listen in on or review every call made during the day. As for personal phone calls, everyone makes them, and there is a specific policy for logging them so they won't be charged to the client. I can't vouch for every team -- each has its own policies and procedures. The fact is that if Stream were the nightmare you've been led to believe it is, I would not have remained employed there for a year (and the only thing that will make me leave at this point is an offer of more money). I have to reiterate that I have never had a truly bad experience with any of Stream's management. At worst they have been indifferent, at best they have been both equitable and concerned for the welfare of those under them. I can only think that there are some REAL screwey paranoids working there if anyone has tried to imply that the Murray sight is such a horror. All I can say is that I have never, never experienced any of the things you write about. If it ever happened, it was on a different team, or took place before I started working there. >And I >will rewrite the 2nd web page article so it looks less like I am attacking >the actual workers than the management policies. You are right about that >point. My thanks. Yes, new techs are not always trained as well as they should be, nor do they always get the equipment they need to do their jobs, but within a couple of weeks I will match Stream techs against anyone. Have fun with it, Xxxxxxxx